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Unions: Hurt or Heal?


How much to do you believe Unions are playing in our economic problems?

John Stossel on FOX news said he feels for every one person they help, it hurts three others.

Some people think that the "prevailing wage" which Unions demand has undermined their effectiveness in an ability to provide a product at a reasonable price. There are some that feel that Unions are driving jobs overseas.

What do you think about the Union issue?

cheekyredhead cheekyredhead 4 years 44 weeks
I have to say my schedule has been crazy. Last year I hardly posted even comments between Nov-Feb because schedule/family/holidays and so forth. People probably give a sigh of relief when I get too busy to post...because I am notoriously long-winded. :)
Grandpa Grandpa 4 years 44 weeks
should say "Do not understand in that first sentence
Grandpa Grandpa 4 years 44 weeks
I am sure i understand you lilkimbo, what group of five or do people "took over". No one has been prohibited from posting anything here, and everyone is free to comment on any comment, as long as they are polite and on topic. Unlike other sites there has been no need for a moderator to step in, we are pretty good at self policing. Every now and then some new account is made so someone can "Step" in and make a snide comment, but that is to be expected from those with closed minds, and have a dearth of facts to back up what they say. I am pretty sure i do more posting then most, but i am retired, and do a lot of reading, and like to share what I think will be of interest to salt members. No one is obligated to read everything or even anything I post, nor do I expect every posting to have comments made.
Merlin713 Merlin713 4 years 44 weeks
It's because a lot of us have just....left for a while.
lilkimbo lilkimbo 4 years 44 weeks
:wave: Hi cine! I haven't been around on Sugar as a whole as much lately just because I've been so busy. And I haven't been around the conservative groups as much because I feel like the atmosphere has really changed and a group of five or so people has kind of taken over. (Not that they had ill intentions, it just kind of happened that way.)
cheekyredhead cheekyredhead 4 years 44 weeks
Intriguing...how do we repair this? Do we simply move beyond and anticipate what will be needed next that only we can supply? I know that sounds sophomoric or perhaps a bit dramatic---but I sincerely believe in America's ingenuity and that it is our answer. I believe this paradigm shift is going to change the way we do business and we must look to innovation, thinking BIG and moving forward. Without that I fail to see how we will survive. The panic people are feeling...I think they so desperately need answers...but we will not find them in Obama. We have to look to ourselves, make some dramatic changes, or end up struggling as China and Germany are.
Grandpa Grandpa 4 years 44 weeks
It is that inflation of p[ay and benefits, and the resulting failure to compete on the world market is what is the worst aspect. The U.S. had the infrastructure to move coal and iron which is found in the "lower 48", and transport to and from the steel mills, yet Japan that has to import all its energy and ore can import, make the steel, and ship anywhere in the U.S. cheaper then our own plants could. Their union refused to allow any improvement on the old Bessemer process of producing steel, and now there is no steel industry to speak of, and the little we have needs tariffs on imports to compete.
cheekyredhead cheekyredhead 4 years 44 weeks
There was absolutely a time and place when they were necessary, I just think that time has passed. My uncle worked in a oil refinery in Texas since he graduated from high school. His union rep helped push him out before he could retire and in doing so was given a giant bonus. I am not saying ALL unions and union reps are evil. I have worked as a rep myself for a limited amount of time. There industries which have misused unions to inflate pay to the point they can no longer deliver an affordable product. I believe they have had a direct impact in outsourcing many things overseas.
Grandpa Grandpa 4 years 44 weeks
In 1964 I was a union organizer, we founded Social Service Employee Union (SSEU), and independent union. Unions have a place in the workforce, but that place has been grossly abused.
cheekyredhead cheekyredhead 4 years 44 weeks
Yep...it is insane. People who are not in the Entertainment industry just assume everyone is making as much money as the celebs and so forth and it just isn't true. They have a view that those in "the biz" are somehow swimming in money. That would be like saying that if you work for Ford that you and your whole family get free cars. There are SO many misconceptions. My sister does make-up and wigs for the characters at Disneyland...also union...and Disney goes out of their way to make sure no body gets enough hours to get benefits. Seriously...they send you home 30 minutes short of being eligible for benefits...but they yank those Union dues out of that paycheck just like you are full-time.
cine_lover cine_lover 4 years 44 weeks
Cheeky, My husband and I are both in Entertainment, and the fees are OUTRAGES! But you can't work, if you are not union. That is one of my major problems with Unions, is that they are not voluntary.
cheekyredhead cheekyredhead 4 years 44 weeks
I have been Union and have to say the only thing they did was rob me blind. The organizers and officials had bloated salaries and they did nothing to change our work conditions or benefits. My brother-in-law works for Paramount Studios and the Union dues he pays is almost as much as he makes. The Union has done little but perpetuate nepotism in that industry.
cine_lover cine_lover 4 years 44 weeks
Kim I was just thinking about you today! I have not seen you in forever. :cry:
UnDave35 UnDave35 4 years 44 weeks
There is still a need for unions, but not in their current form. When they can strike because they didn't get a raise in the current ecconomic conditions, there is a disconnect going on.
lilkimbo lilkimbo 4 years 44 weeks
I am anti-union as well, cine, particularly in their current form. I agree that there was a time when we needed them, but now there are already so many laws protecting workers; unions just seem superfluous and they do more harm than good (in my opinion).
cine_lover cine_lover 4 years 44 weeks
I am very strongly ANTI-UNION. There was a time and a place for unions, and with anything else, they got too much power and are no longer for the people. I could write a novel about this topic.